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"If all the cool scientis...Another problem...<br /><br />"If all the cool scientists decided to jump off a bridge, would you want to do that as well? Of course not" <br /><br />Well.... what if they jumped off a bridge and landed in tenured, grant-funded positions at the bottom?!?Eric Charleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17412168482569793996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7182111939035703155.post-75176443361962598052016-09-08T06:50:03.222-07:002016-09-08T06:50:03.222-07:00First off, as a man with a curly mustache, a top h...First off, as a man with a curly mustache, a top hat, and more than one cape, I object to your concluding paragraph. Secondly, I think this is a great analysis, and the distinction between exploratory and confirmatory study is crucial. In fact, one would WANT data mining in exploratory contexts. The problem is that when all publications are supposed to introduce something new, and our judgment of what is or isn't an "Important Paper" is unrelated to our judgments of what other researchers might want to replicate, journals and reviewers somehow lose their ability to distinguish exploratory from confirmatory work. It is a mess!Eric Charleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17412168482569793996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7182111939035703155.post-75746755200298724862016-09-08T06:49:17.459-07:002016-09-08T06:49:17.459-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Eric Charleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17412168482569793996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7182111939035703155.post-20642350282004343322016-05-29T09:09:43.423-07:002016-05-29T09:09:43.423-07:00Hi again, Imad. I enjoyed the article. Thanks for ...Hi again, Imad. I enjoyed the article. Thanks for recommending it! Again, I'm not terribly well read in these issues (though I do find them interesting when I take the time to read and think about them), but I agree with what you're saying and the arguments of the authors. I may be missing something, but I cannot see how research could successfully "work", be replicated, help others predict and influence behavior,without there being some type of "independent textured substratum" or "reality" or whatever arbitrarily applicable terms we wish to use. I don't believe I really understand the basis upon which those who would say "That question cannot be answered" hold this position though, so I may have to do a bit more reading to at least understand why they argue this at some point in the future...in between reading about things I could actually talk to other people about. I might start with the reply article. Anyway, thanks again for the recommendation!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7182111939035703155.post-66878661051245560272016-05-13T10:39:43.134-07:002016-05-13T10:39:43.134-07:00Anon,
I’m glad it was helpful. I have no problem ...Anon,<br /><br />I’m glad it was helpful. I have no problem with views that scientists are working towards their own goals under particular conditions and not concerned with broader issues of truth, etc. In fact, most scientists probably hold a similar view, not just FC proponents.<br /><br />I think for scientists such as myself though, I am interested in the goals that FC researchers pursue but I’m also interested in broader philosophical questions. For the latter question, I find the FC folks sometimes vary their response between “I’m not interested in that question” to “That question cannot be answered”. If one is not interested, that’s fine but I take issue with the second point because there are reasonable accounts of these issues that the FC folks don’t properly engage with. <br /><br />They also seem to deny the label of instrumentalism and anti-realism in favor of a-ontological. I’m confused by this tri-part distinction because to me FC is instrumentalism (or some form of methodological naturalism) but some in the community resist that label and say that a-ontology is based on learning that we cannot know anything about ontology. I think that is false, a misunderstanding of what science shows and what ontological implications it has.<br /><br />Let me know what you think when you read the article!<br />Imadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09956056366775230796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7182111939035703155.post-27789545336818547002016-05-04T17:27:12.473-07:002016-05-04T17:27:12.473-07:00Thanks, Imad. That does help actually. I will read...Thanks, Imad. That does help actually. I will read that article. I haven't read a lot on FC, but the a-ontological position is something in my limited and amateur reading I've interpreted to mean not that science doesn't discover apriori universal truths (under particular conditions) or to take a stance on whether it does, but that contextual behaviorists simply aren't interested in making such claims about the universe, rather they are simply seeking to achieve certain goals under particular conditions...though, if the outcomes of research are to be of use to others in their efforts to achieve similar goals, it would seem (to me as of now having not thought terribly deeply on the matter) to require that there are some laws being discovered...long story short, I should read more about this stuff to better understand it and I will start with the article you suggested. Thanks again. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7182111939035703155.post-34412443627592189112016-04-27T18:26:06.033-07:002016-04-27T18:26:06.033-07:00Anon,
I should clarify that at some level, I cons...Anon,<br /><br />I should clarify that at some level, I consider myself a full adherent of functional contextualism as I see it as a refined and improved version of Skinner’s radical behaviorism. It’s in fact one of the most well laid out philosophical views in behavioral sciences and leads to great clarity of methods of science. Same can be said for the broader enterprise of Contextual Behavioral Science. <br /><br />What I disagree with are some of the claims made as part of FC regarding what science is and the philosophical implications of FC. These include things like FC’s “a-ontological” stance or the notion that there is no “truth” or science doesn’t discover real things about the world. These are not necessary absurd positions to hold but I don’t think FC argues for them (or argues for them well) but rather assumes them. <br /><br />These types of views also have led to proponents of FC to blur the position, sometimes as far as embracing post-modernism in terms of there is no “truth” but just what works for me. FC also mistakenly sometimes attributes these views to the classic pragmatists like Peirce, James and Dewey, who for the large part did not hold such views rather truth and science. In fact, the pragmatists views hold the remedy to these problems as they show how truth is relevant and essential to scientific inquiry and doesn’t lead to wild speculative metaphysics. <br /><br />I don’t know if that helps or makes it more confusing. Basically, as a practice, FC is a great guide but philosophy of science is for the most part, not about informing local methods in a field of science. It’s much more about studying the metaphysics, epistemology, ethics and critique of science and it’s in these later areas, FC fails in my view. However, I should add that FC is a living document and there are some prominent members in FC that are looking to fix the problems that I have identified here.<br /><br />The paper by James Herbert and Flavia Padovani "Contextualism Psychological Sceince and Question of Ontology” does a great job of analyzing this problem and showing why FC is mistaken in it’s stance of ignoring ontology.<br /><br />Hope that helps!Imadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09956056366775230796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7182111939035703155.post-90001058394018732462016-04-27T18:07:27.220-07:002016-04-27T18:07:27.220-07:00I noticed my name was up there! I will have to con...I noticed my name was up there! I will have to contribute, I’m finishing my fellowship right now which is kicking my butt time wise but when I get a bit more free time, I’ll write something up.<br /><br />And FC is fairly new (maybe last 2 or 3 years) and is a subset of the contextual behavioral science work (the organization Steve Hayes founded).Imadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09956056366775230796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7182111939035703155.post-51708325031841272172016-04-25T16:37:04.570-07:002016-04-25T16:37:04.570-07:00Imad, or Mike Samsa if this is true for you as wel...Imad, or Mike Samsa if this is true for you as well, would you be willing to break down exactly what it is about functional contextualism you find problematic or disagreeable as a philosophy of science? I'm honestly just trying to better understand its possible strengths and limitations and haven't come across a good straightforward critique.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7182111939035703155.post-55690227834786581102016-04-24T02:31:16.697-07:002016-04-24T02:31:16.697-07:00Hey Imad, it's been a while!
Yes that's d...Hey Imad, it's been a while!<br /><br />Yes that's definitely a good point. I find a lot of people in science lack an understanding of what we're actually doing in science, so by streamlining the process and the philosophy underpinning our research we get outcomes like what you describe, absurd conclusions and incoherent frameworks. <br /><br />I think that's one of the advantages of working in fields like ours where there are debates over our validity and we have to defend ourselves, which means we have to dig deep and make sure we actually understand what we're trying to do. We don't have the privilege of historical streamlining, and we're constantly building our field every day.<br /><br />As for your other question, thanks for the links! I'd never actually heard of FC before so I'll have to read more into it but by the sounds of it they're just describing a current evolution in the field. Most researchers I know in behavioral psych are happy to adopt cognitive models, and the literature on the nature of reinforcement is currently very heavily influenced by that approach where they recognised that the old mechanistic, functional explanation isn't enough any more.<br /><br />I haven't looked at anything on RFT since the last time we spoke so I'm not sure I'd have anything to add, but I'll read up on FC and see if I have any new thoughts.<br /><br />Also, don't forget that I added you as a contributor a while ago, if you have anything you want to write then feel free to make a post!TheLastBehavioristhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02766452615397498148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7182111939035703155.post-42444221830893980672016-04-24T02:23:45.278-07:002016-04-24T02:23:45.278-07:00Thanks for the suggestions, Anon! I'll have a ...Thanks for the suggestions, Anon! I'll have a think on them and if I can drum up some good thoughts then I'll try to construct an article around them.TheLastBehavioristhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02766452615397498148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7182111939035703155.post-28692250109681333902016-04-16T05:11:18.092-07:002016-04-16T05:11:18.092-07:00I’d be curious about your thoughts on RFT and FC a...I’d be curious about your thoughts on RFT and FC as well. My thoughts have evolved on the issue since we last talked to being skeptical of RFT to really embracing it but not so much FC. <br /><br />However, I’d also be curious if you have heard of the other FC, the functional-cognitive framework that looks to combine radical behaviorism and some form of cognitivism led by Jan De Houwer.<br /><br />It’s an interesting framework that I’ve been chewing on. Here are some links on describing and clarifying the perspective.<br /><br />http://pps.sagepub.com/content/6/2/202.short<br /><br />http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26616481Imadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09956056366775230796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7182111939035703155.post-3161973703417712702016-04-16T05:05:17.414-07:002016-04-16T05:05:17.414-07:00Good article! (and welcome back)
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